Ist Indien die Mutter der Demokratie?

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Ist Indien die Mutter der Demokratie?

Beitragvon Marsianer » Sa 24. Jun 2023, 09:49

Akhilesh Pillalamarri hat geschrieben:In the run-up to hosting the G-20 summit this year, India has begun marketing itself as the “mother of democracies.” Prime Minister Narendra Modi began to emphasize this idea last year, both domestically—in Parliament—and internationally, at the United Nations. Is this hyperbole, similar to nationalistic claims that “ancient Indians had spacecraft, the internet, and nuclear weapons,” or is there some truth to the prime minister’s statement?

The reality is complex. Ancient India certainly had democratic and republican states, but so did ancient Greece, Rome, and a host of other places. David Stasavage, dean for the social sciences at New York University characterizes early democracy in his book “The Decline and Rise of Democracy: A Global History from Antiquity to Today” as a system where “those who ruled needed to obtain consent from a council or assembly” and where “rulers simply did not inherit their position: there was some way in which rising to leadership required the consent of others.” According to Stasavage, “early democracy was so common in all regions of the globe that we should see it as a naturally occurring condition in human societies.”

Contrary to the linear narrative that democracy was invented once, in ancient Athens, before being rediscovered and spreading, democratic government was more common in the ancient world than many believe, although the proportion of the population participating in Athenian democracy may have been more extensive than other places. Even then, in Athens, only free, adult male citizens could vote and participate in government — around 10 percent of the population. In the fourth century BCE, this was about 30,000 males out of a population that included 160,000 citizens, “25,000 resident aliens, and at least 200,000 slaves.”

Government by assemblies and councils was relatively common throughout the ancient world, particularly in tribal societies, but also in early states. According to Stasavage, the spread of complex states with bureaucracies is correlated with the decline of early democracy, and early democracies tended to thrive in out-of-the-way places. The spread of technology, faster transportation, and writing also helped establish centralized states that diminished democracy. Athens and the Roman Republic were initially situated far away from the heartlands of state formation in the ancient Middle East. In India, democratic states were particularly common in hilly areas, such as the Himalayan foothills. Republican and democratic states were found in ancient Rome, Carthage, Mexico, India, the Hurons in North America, ancient Mesopotamia, and parts of Africa. The Greek historian Herodotus also claimed that the Persians considered abolishing monarchy and establishing democracy during the 520s BCE. The English assemblies that became Parliament were also a local development, independent of the Greek example, as feudal England had a weak state and little bureaucratic apparatus. It was only in the last couple of centuries that strong states with both democratic governance and competent bureaucracies were established in the wake of the American and French revolutions.

The presence of democratic governance in ancient India should therefore not be a surprise, particularly given the region’s history of weak states. The writings of the ancient grammarian Panini, the Mahabharata, and Buddhist literature all refer to states with assemblies (sanghas), some of which were republics, including the Shakya Republic, where the Buddha was born. Many of these republics lasted centuries, from around 600 BCE to 300 CE, although medieval Hinduism became associated with hereditary, godlike kingship. Not much is known about how these republics were run, but some seem to have incorporated members from across castes and classes. In a conversation between the Chancellor of Magadha and the Buddha, the Buddha mentioned that the Vijji Republic of eastern India held full and frequent public assemblies, which met “together in concord…[and carried] out their undertakings in concord” and acted in accordance with the ancient institutions of the Vajjians.

There are also examples of kingdoms that then became republics. For example, what was once the Kuru Kingdom in northwest India later became the Yaudheya Republic; this is known from inscriptions referring to elections for a maharaja (great ruler), and references to the polity as a “gana,” a Sanskrit word meaning a group of people that frequently also is used to indicate a republic. The Yaudheya Republic may have been run by aristocrats and elites — similar to the Roman Republic — as the name derives from Sanskrit yoddha, meaning warrior. While there may be a gap of several centuries between these ancient Indian republics and the modern Indian state, the same is true of a place like Greece, which was ruled autocratically for millennia during the Roman, Byzantine, and Ottoman Empires. In the case of India, having a local precedent certainly helps in assimilating and localizing the concept of modern representative democracy.

Democratic tendencies in India became more established at the village level. Villages were quite often run by councils, panchayats, which had become quite prominent by the Gupta era (late 200s-late 500s CE), during which, in “the absence of close supervision by the state, village affairs were now managed by leading local elements, who conducted land transactions without consulting the government.” It was simply easier and more efficient for villages to run themselves, with governments providing only security and taking tax revenue, the collection of which was often delegated to local councils. Village councils took care of banking, the construction of public utilities, and civil law, according to Chola and other South Indian inscriptions from around 1000 CE. Village councils persisted throughout the eras, regardless of who ruled over India, and still exist in a modified form today—their existence was incorporated into the formal structure of India’s governance through the Seventy-third Amendment in 1992.

https://thediplomat.com/2023/03/is-india-the-mother-of-democracies

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Re: Ist Indien die Mutter der Demokratie?

Beitragvon Marsianer » Di 5. Sep 2023, 17:55

‘Bharat that is India’: G20 booklets that talk about country's democratic history, 8,000- year-old civilisation

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Both the booklets, in a total of 40 pages, talk about epics including Ramayana and Mahabharata as well as the anecdotes of Chhatrapati Shivaji, Akbar along with India's transition to electoral democracy. Both the booklets focus around the idea of the existence of democracy in the subcontinent for millennia.

The first book depicts India as the mother of democracy. It features the bronze statue named ‘the dancing girl’ that was believed to be from the Indus Valley civilisation which existed around 5,000 years ago. The statue was described as a sign of confidence where the girl is ‘self-assured and looking at the world eye-to-eye. Independent. Liberated’.

It further talks about oldest scriptures, the four Vedas, and discusses about the civilisational value system incorporating political, societal and educational principles. It also describes the democratic elements through epics. In Ramayana, the book mentions, Lord Ram was chosen as king after his father sought approval from his council of ministers. Similarly in Mahabharata, the patriarch Bhishma, on his death bed, gave lessons of good governance to Yidhishthira.

The first book also talks about the principles of Buddhism that influenced India's democratic ethos through the rules of several kings such as Ashoka, Chandragupta Maurya and Chhatrapati Shivaji.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bharat-that-is-india-g20-booklets-that-talks-about-countrys-democratic-history-8-000-year-old-civilisation-101693905547546.html

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(3:31 EvD-Festtafel moderiert von Scifi-Filmlegende und Mystery-Moderator William Shatner - sich selbst spielend wie er einen Advokatus Diaboli spielt - ausschweifend in eine feierliche Doppelfolge.bis 4:52)

4:58 Ein alter Hammer mit (wohl fossiliertem) Holzstiel, gefunden eingeschlossen in 140 Mio Jahre altem Sandstein. 5:07 Alte Überlieferungen aus Indien, die von heutigen "Experten" als erfunden eingeordnet worden waren hätten sich durch neue Bodenfunde zu einer im Meer versunkenen Stadt und einem laut Überlieferung durch ein Vimana zerstörten Tempel an einem bestimmten Ort erhärtet. Laut Überlieferung durch Rama (oben heutzutage etwas nach US-SUV klingend "Lord Ram") vor ca. 6000 Jahren im Rahmen eines Heerzuges kilometerlang magisch errichtete "Brücke" aus Steinblöcken vom Festland nach Sri Lanka sei durch Luftaufnahmen gefunden und zu ihr gehörige Steinblöcke auf etwa diese Zeit datiert worden worden. Daher weigere sich die indische Regierung diese Brücke (soweit ich verstehe eigentlich wohl eher eine Art Damm wie z.B. nach Syĺt) für einen wirtschaftlicheren Schifffahrtsweg zu durchtrennen, denn diese Struktur sei von einem Gott errichtet worden.


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